-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, John Abreau hath spake thusly: > It would appear to me that Caldera and the others want to ensure that > commercial applications will explicitly depend on the "naughty bits" > that can't be redistributed, with the goal that these applications won't > work properly (or at all, perhaps) on any distribution that doesn't adopt > the UL brand with its per-seat licenses and all. I don't believe this is the case at all. I do believe that this is all about making money. A quote from Ransom Love: As far as licensing, the only issue that we're doing there is that we'll make the source code freely available in complete compliance with the open source community and open source efforts. The binaries will not be made freely available, for a variety of reasons, because again we are focusing more to the business customer. It appears to me, rather than as you suggest, that there will be no "naughty bits" which are part of UnitedLinux. They will be distributing all of the source code for UnitedLinux -- they simply will be charging for binaries of the software which comprises UnitedLinux, which they are perfectly entitled to do under the terms of the GPL. In fact, about 3 years ago I heard RMS, while speaking on NPR, advocate doing exactly that as a way to make money off of free software. He went so far as to say that he's done this himself to support himself... At the time his only insistance was that the source code to such software should be provided at no additional cost to the purchasing party. Funny, he now seems to have changed his tune. It used to be that he advocated only software which was free as in speech. It strikes me that now that he does not need to rely on the sale of such software for his income, he is outright *demanding* that it also be free as in beer. Now, whenever someone tries to use this business model that he himself advocated not more than 3 years ago, he comes out publicly in staunch opposition. He has done so recently in another prominent case... (I believe it was Lindows, but it may have been someone they were working with. The story made Slashdot and a number of other linux-related sites. My memory controller is broken. :) IMO, if you look at the historical tactics of rms, he changes his tune rather often, apparently to suit his whims and self-serving motives. While I agree with most of the points of his movement, he does seem to forget that the society we live in is based on commerce and the accumulation of wealth. If businesses can not make money selling free software, soon they will cease to exist, and there will be NO choices... I respect the work that rms has done for the free software community, and I agree with a lot of the FSF's goals. However, I think his tactics are offensive, and he is himself a hypocrite. Overall, I think he now does more harm than good to the free software community. > It's not about more choices, it's actually about less > choices. UnitedLinix looks to me like a blatant attempt to > establish vendor lock-in for the whole commercial > application market. I understand what you're saying, but I disagree on this point too. The goal is to create a core OS that is unified, in order to ensure compatibility of applications. There have been a few, large companies with deep pockets which have ported a few applications to Linux in order to jump on the Linux bandwagon. In order for this to continue, the success of Linux companies must be assured. It is anything but assured if they can't find a way to make money. When it is convenient to do so, many (myself included) point out that RedHat is making money. Usually, the point of doing so is to suggest that this is proof that Linux companies can sustain themselves. However, I'll point out that RedHat's profits are tiny, and their long-term success is no way assured. If Linux companies can not find a way to make money, then they will fold, and you will be stuck with debian, if you wish to continue to use Linux. I'm not trying to imply that debian is a bad distribution here; it isn't. However, one distribution isn't much of a choice. - -- Derek Martin ddm@pizzashack.org - --------------------------------------------- I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8+PfKdjdlQoHP510RAphNAKC+Rjs2IrnN5JH/znQi2ylJTrqGoQCffH0K LT21vOMstNsWx+Ps8D7WP8g= =+qV+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----