thanks all for the suggestions. will give them a try and let you know how i made out in a few days (when i get back from fifing and drumming in williamsburg). unfortunately, in a probably unwise decision to save money, i did not get the next step up in service from pair, which allows cgi, and costs about double. maybe we reconsider. and on a previous subject, i personally would find a blu program on gnupg/pgp very useful. reading the man pages had my head spinning (admittedly i didn't spend long enough, just wanted to case the subject). dan moylan