ok, ok. i ran. i've dumped telnet-server, and empowered ssh, with much fumbling. i can now ssh from the desktop to the laptop though not vice versa (the desktop still has the medium firewall up and i don't know how to take it down, short of doing a reinstall). however, one step at a time. i've looked all over the ssh man pages and don't really see anything about file transfer. how do i achieve rcp functionality? tia, dan p.s. btw, thanks for all the help so far. dan